[Maypole] (no subject)

[Peter Speltz]

--- Simon Cozens <simon@simon-cozens.org> wrote:

> David R. Baird:
> > My POV is that Maypole is still young, and stability of the 
> > interface, although nice, is still secondary to making things (even) 
> > better.
> 
> Let me begin with an apology. I don't want to continually be the Ghost of
> Maintainers Past who comes to the list occasionally to point a finger at the
> current way of doing things. Simon F, please don't consider what I'm saying
> here in any way binding. It's an indication of what I'd like to see, but I'm
> just a user now, albeit one who's probably created a lot more Maypole sites
> than most of you, and I'm happy to be outvoted. I just want to explain how
> the design was supposed to go.
> 
> I'm not convinced that you make Maypole better by adding more classes.
> 
> I'm not convinced you make any code better by adding more classes. C++ is
> thataway.
> 
> Every time you add another concept to the core, you increase complexity. It
> may look like abstraction, but it isn't. You weren't using the request object
> for anything else anyway, so you're not really abstracting anything. It's
> merely added complexity. And every time you increase the core complexity of
> Maypole, God kills a kitten. Make peripheral modules as complex as you like -

> Maypole's designed to allow you to do that. But keep the core small. Then you
> don't have to maintain it.
> 
> The core principle of using Maypole is that if you find yourself doing a lot
> of work, you've done something wrong. The same goes for maintaining its
> implementation. I understand that every new maintainer wants to paint the
> bikeshed their favourite colour and needs to make their mark. Fine. I have a
> version of Maypole on my disk that does what *I* want in case things get too
> wacky out there.
> 
> But what I'm (not so) secretly hoping is that when Maypole gets cleaned up
> for
> a new release and the core implementation is polished a little and people
> WRITE LOTS OF APPLICATIONS IN IT BEFORE HACKING IT TO PIECES, we'll discover
> that the separation of concerns you're talking about really isn't that
> important, when it comes down to it.
> 

AMEN, AMEN, AMEN. Maypole rocks because it's so simple. I never get tired of
saying $r->whatever as I only do it a few times in any given sub. I would hate
to have to say $c->whatever->whatever. I have the modperl api if i want to do
that.


=====
pjs

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